Rhymney Brewery refused alcohol licence for Roath ale bar, but given planning permission

July 5, 2012 4 Comments »

The vacant Choices building on Albany Road, where Rhymney Brewery plan to open a real ale bar.

Rhymney Brewery has been refused an alcohol licence for a new real ale bar, on the same day it was granted planning permission to open the venue.

Rhymney Brewery wants to open a traditional alehouse at 29 Albany Road – formerly the Choices video store which closed in 2007.  The applicants say their “target audience” would be over 50s, with the pub designed to be about “good beer and good conversation”.

But a planning application to change the use of the building was refused by Cardiff Council’s planning committee in January, on the grounds the new venture was likely to lead to an increase in late night noise and disturbance for the surrounding area, and increase the number of food and drink businesses on Albany Road.

The planning committee’s decision was appealed by Alder King planning consultants on behalf of the applicant, but while they were awaiting the planning inspector’s decision, Rhymney Brewery applied to Cardiff Council for an alcohol licence – despite not having permission to open on the premises.

That application, which asked for permission to sell alcohol for consumption on the premises between 9am and midnight seven days a week, was refused by the council’s licensing sub-committee last Friday morning.

After hearing from a number of objectors concerned about alcohol related crime and public nuisance, the committee said there was a lack of evidence from the applicant’s representative to answer questions from councillors and local residents, and that “the committee was therefore unsatisfied that the premises would operate without detrimental effect on the licensing objectives.”

But on Friday afternoon, planning inspector Sian Worden issued her decision on the planning appeal, overturning the council’s earlier ruling and granting permission for the building to be turned into a a real ale bar.

In her report, Ms Worden said she thought it was “unlikely that much noise would percolate out from the building” and “the majority of activity would arise from future customers arriving at and leaving the venue”.

She also said the new bar was not likely to increase parking problems nearby, and that the opening hours were over a long period of time, meaning the arrival and leaving of customers would be staggered.

She added: “Furthermore, the clientele most attracted to the type of bar proposed would not normally indulge in rowdy, annoying behaviour.”

She granted the appeal with conditions, including that the bar’s opening hours should be 9am to 11pm.

In light of the planning inspector’s decision, a spokesman for Rhymney Brewery said the company would be re-applying for an alcohol licence.

Other applications considered by the committee last Friday were:

  • An application for a premises licence from Bill’s Produce Stores Limited in Wyndham Arcade, Mill Lane was granted. The applicant wanted permission to sell alcohol for consumption on and off the premises, regulated entertainment in the form of recorded music, and late night refreshments. The application says it will be a “unique café and produce store”, selling organic fruit, vegetables, herbs, flowers, plants, and hampers, with an outside catering and delivery service.
  • Morrisons on Ty Glas Road in Llanishen had applied for permission to extend their opening hours and the hours they are licensed to sell alcohol, to 6am-midnight seven days a week. The application was granted prior to the meeting
  • Mr G’s Soul Kitchen, at 106 Bute Street, applied for permission to serve alcohol for consumption on the premises, provide live music, recorded music and performances of dance, entertainment for making music and dancing, and the provision of late night refreshments. The application was granted.
  • Paradiso Café Bar Restaurant, at 8-10 Crwys Road, applied for a licence to sell alcohol, provide live and recorded music, dance performances, late night refreshment, and to be allowed to open from 10am to 12.30am Monday to Sunday. A decision on this application was deferred.
  • Connies House, at Room 6, 1st Floor, Connies House, Rhymney River Bridge Road, applied for permission to sell alcohol for consumption off the premises from 11am to 5am seven days a week as part of a home delivery service. This application was refused.

The licensing applications and results are also mapped below.

View Licensing round-up June 2012 in a larger map

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  1. Jim July 5, 2012 at 5:44 pm - Reply

    To refuse a licence..how embarrasing, yet how predictable from this increasingly dull and conservative city.

    I have a friend in Bristol who a good two years ago now was on Albany Road and commented on the awful state of this very building. A year ago I told him of the plans for an independent, local, bar, yet only weeks ago he was amused to see it still in it's same, dilapidated, depressing state

    I hope Rhymney Brewery appeal, and I hope it comes at a cost to the council. I fear though that they might well desert our 'vibrant, capital city' and instead go to Bristol, a city that values vibrancy, employment and local, independent businesses.

    When the council make a decision and refuse licences, do they think of the consequences? Fine, a handful of people opposed (you can read them online-their comments are bordering on hysterical) but the vast majority of people in this city would support a venture like this.

    I think the brewery should set up a petition, and the local press should be holding the council to account far more.

    Licensing/Planning and the Police have already ruined Mount Stuart Square and lower St Mary street..there has to be somewhere where this city is allowed to breathe.

    • Fred July 5, 2012 at 7:07 pm - Reply

      Another pub causing mayhem to the residents and visitors to the area- after having suffered for many years living adjacent to a pub- vomit strewn everywhere, broken bottles, rowdy behaviour, violence and men and women urinating/defectaing publicly I truly feel sorry for the people living nearby.

      • James July 6, 2012 at 10:24 am - Reply

        With respect, none of the above are a valid reason to suggest this pub will cause problems. Broken glass can come from bottles purchased in Tescos. Drunken arguments are, alas, a part of life and can emenate from drinking in people's own homes. Violence is abhorrent, but is less likely to happen in regulated pub environment than elsewhere.

      • Mark July 6, 2012 at 2:40 pm - Reply

        The Rhymney brewery pubs cater for more mature drinkers. Although they serve selected lager their core business is real ale. I have visited their pubs in Merthyr, Aberdare and Ponypridd so I know whereof I speak. In all three I have never experienced any yob style behaviour either inside or outside. Their business plan seems to buy old shops and convert them. I visit Roath frequently and surely any premises opening and bringing custom to the area is better than empty run down shops. I live in the city centre and with the saturation in that area people must expect more applications like this further away from the centre.

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